By the Numbers....a Numerical Guide to the Buffs, Leader Skills and Damage Modifiers.

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  1. Bobus

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    But def ignore should mean attack = damage.
     
  2. StickFigureJibril

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    Yes Zelban SBB10. I would test with larger numbers but it gets tricky with multiple hit attacks and survival =/ I might try a jewel crystal as a target if I can get my hands on one.
     
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  3. Trystansr

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    In those pics:
    Felneus (B) 1982 REC - Steeple Rose/Legwand
    Alice (L) 2055 REC - None
    Doug (A) 1600 REC - Refined Gem
    Doug (B) 1353 REC - Medulla/Steeple Rose
    Micelle (B) 2332 REC - Steeple Rose/Selena

    Alice is SBB 2.
     
  4. Bobus

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    From damage calcs BB atk bonus is added to attack.
    Total damage is 2100 from an attack stat of 1012 which is +107.5% BB boost.
    This BB boost makes the michele 120% show up as ~=50% because they are both added to base attack, 100+107.5+120 = 327.5
    Without michele, 100+107.5 = 207.5
    327.5/207.5 = 1.58 or 58%
    Boom!
    323/210 = 1.54.
    Michele is 323-207.5=115.5 or 120%
    Michele is 120% boost att

    Now, lukina is avg. 260.
    260-207.5 is 52.5 or 50%
    Lukina is 50% boost att
     
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  5. Bobus

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    Thanks. Tested with my Alice and a metal mimic :)
     
  6. darktree420

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    Nice, updated first post :)
     
  7. Minarie

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    Thanks for making this guide! It's very useful. By the way, Homusubi's crit rate at sbb10 is 40% based on ushi's video of aisha.
     
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    damage without buff = atk of unit * [1 + 0 + BB value]
    damage with mich buff = atk of unit * [1 + 1.2 + BB value]
    damage with lukina buff = atk of unit * [1 + 0.5 + BB value]

    your calculations make sense but does this mean that the damage formula in burr's post is off? since mich buff should increase the damage more than that
     
  9. Trystansr

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    All stat calculations (as far as I have observed) are always calculated off of base stats. They are not multiplicative.
    So if you have a unit that has 1000 ATK, and he's got Angelic Foil, Ore, 30% ATK pot, Micelle Buff, and Signes buff (say he's a water unit) it's:
    1000+750+500+300+1200+500=4250 ATK. Regardless of what is in place, or what order things are activated in, buffs (or debuffs) will always be based off of a unit's naked stat.
    Imps are the only thing that change the calculations, since they are permanent changes to a base stat.
    It's why when I tested Micelle's ATK boost, it seems to be north of 200% when the unit was injured.
     
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    Can i ask how much % does raydn's spark damage boost? :)
     
  11. Bobus

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    If you mean michele being 120%, then this is the correct value as mentioned throughout this thread. 150% is apparently wrong.
    Damage formula looks correct.
    You have
    Damage = attack × ( 1 + 1.2 + BB) for michele which I think is correct
     
  12. Chalice

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    Tesla seems to be the way to go against Maxwell, is Daru's SBB enough to survive the encounter?
     
  13. Trystansr

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    Don't know why it wouldn't be - the mitigation is the same.
     
  14. Chalice

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    On the first post I see :

     
  15. Trystansr

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    Yeah - the DEF buff is less. But that's not what's keeping you alive - the mitigation every 4 turns or so is.
     
  16. Chalice

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    Ok thank you !
     
  17. Burr

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    How is def being tested?

    Edit: Reading a bit more. Not sure if it's accurate thinking still haha

    Edit 2: Assuming 3 defense = 1 damage reduction then yea the calculations are correct. Where is this 3:1 thing from?
     
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  18. darktree420

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    reddit
     
  19. Burr

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    Kinda vague. I saw a thread ages ago but not sure if that's the one you're talking about (don't remember the details in it either ._.)

    Can you link it?
     
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